Comments on: Being Gay in the Orthodox World – a response worth reading http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/ Life in Riverdale, NY Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:45:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: solomon http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-194 solomon Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:40:06 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-194 the proper analogy is with incest. If a brother and sister are strongly drawn to each other and choose to indugle in a "safe" pshysical relation, they are ostensibly hurting on one. There is no "victim". yet anyone believing in G-D would not condone or rationalize this. further, highly motivated individuals can usually be treated successfully enough to be able to enjoy heterosexual relations and emotional bond with their spouse. the proper analogy is with incest. If a brother and sister are strongly drawn to each other and choose to indugle in a
“safe” pshysical relation, they are ostensibly hurting on one.
There is no “victim”. yet anyone believing in G-D would not condone or rationalize this.

further, highly motivated individuals can usually be treated successfully enough to be able to enjoy heterosexual relations and emotional bond with their spouse.

]]> By: Moshe http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-190 Moshe Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:09 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-190 yes. as would i. does anyone know if he has seen this? yes. as would i. does anyone know if he has seen this?

]]> By: cyberdov http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-189 cyberdov Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:41:27 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-189 Hmm, I had the exact opposite reaction. I thought Levovitz made some excellent points and would love to see if R Twersky has a response. Hmm, I had the exact opposite reaction. I thought Levovitz made some excellent points and would love to see if R Twersky has a response.

]]> By: Moshe http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-188 Moshe Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:33:26 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-188 wow. i am a gay jewish teen in the closet and i've been reading about all the events going on at yu. the panel. rav twersky's arguements and now this. to mordichai i commend u beyond belief. not just 4 getting up and speaking at the panel but now 4 not just addresssingthe oppisition but literally goin point by point with each and very arguement disproving it. i wish there were more ppl like u. as for those non-supporters. those ppl who wrote negetive comments on this pg. know this. ur lucky that i hav a thick skin. i hav been able to live in the closet 4 a while and deal with insulting remarks not saying a word. but there r many. so many that feel the pain. they feel the pain as u condem this panel and as u say that rav twersky's arguements are right. and that pain i am afraid to say leads to horrible effects such as suicide. i understand that rav twersky is a gadol and in no way would ever outright kill another human being but i feel that by saying wat he did he may have very well caused closeted youth to take their own lives. please know that we are out there. if u do not want to be supportive cuz u r afraid it will look bad or is halachikly inappropriate. then ok. but please please please dont ever bash such an event or such a lifestyle cuz this is not something we choose. and by bashing it know that u may very well be causing ppl to die. wow. i am a gay jewish teen in the closet and i’ve been reading about all the events going on at yu. the panel. rav twersky’s arguements and now this. to mordichai i commend u beyond belief. not just 4 getting up and speaking at the panel but now 4 not just addresssingthe oppisition but literally goin point by point with each and very arguement disproving it. i wish there were more ppl like u.
as for those non-supporters. those ppl who wrote negetive comments on this pg. know this. ur lucky that i hav a thick skin. i hav been able to live in the closet 4 a while and deal with insulting remarks not saying a word. but there r many. so many that feel the pain. they feel the pain as u condem this panel and as u say that rav twersky’s arguements are right. and that pain i am afraid to say leads to horrible effects such as suicide. i understand that rav twersky is a gadol and in no way would ever outright kill another human being but i feel that by saying wat he did he may have very well caused closeted youth to take their own lives.
please know that we are out there. if u do not want to be supportive cuz u r afraid it will look bad or is halachikly inappropriate. then ok. but please please please dont ever bash such an event or such a lifestyle cuz this is not something we choose. and by bashing it know that u may very well be causing ppl to die.

]]> By: Adamchik http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-187 Adamchik Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:18:05 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-187 It is striking to read R Twersky's words and then Levovitz's words. Twersky is consistent with torah and make perfect sense being in a torah mindset. Levovitz's misdirects, misunderstands, and distracts from R. Twersky's statements in a way that is almost infantile. The most important arguments, such as, "Just because you want it doesn't mean you can have it," are simply ignored. These folks should quit while they're ahead. It is striking to read R Twersky’s words and then Levovitz’s words. Twersky is consistent with torah and make perfect sense being in a torah mindset. Levovitz’s misdirects, misunderstands, and distracts from R. Twersky’s statements in a way that is almost infantile. The most important arguments, such as, “Just because you want it doesn’t mean you can have it,” are simply ignored. These folks should quit while they’re ahead.

]]> By: cyberdov http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-181 cyberdov Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:57:41 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-181 Thanks for the feedback DuvDuv, I changed the 'block quote' color to a dark green, does that look better? Thanks for the feedback DuvDuv, I changed the ‘block quote’ color to a dark green, does that look better?

]]> By: DuvDuv http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-180 DuvDuv Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:12:02 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-180 I'm sorry you used this light beige color font (for the response to R. Twersky) - I hope you can make it easier to read I was at the panel and I didn't realize how brilliant M. Levovitz is till I read his extremely compelling response to R. Twersky's rantings Thanks for printing it at all - now, please fix the color? :0) DuvDuv I’m sorry you used this light beige color font (for the response to R. Twersky) – I hope you can make it easier to read

I was at the panel and I didn’t realize how brilliant M. Levovitz is till I read his extremely compelling response to R. Twersky’s rantings

Thanks for printing it at all – now, please fix the color?
:0)
DuvDuv

]]> By: ilona@israel http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-178 ilona@israel Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:58:07 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-178 it is totally wrong to boycott or inore such things, what is more-there has to be some kind of law that explains what to do in this case ...but for sure agression is not a big help it is totally wrong to boycott or inore such things, what is more-there has to be some kind of law that explains what to do in this case …but for sure agression is not a big help

]]> By: Anon http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-171 Anon Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:39:41 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-171 hg: Making statements of that kind will not convince anyone. hg:

Making statements of that kind will not convince anyone.

]]> By: cyberdov http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/2009/12/31/being-gay-in-the-orthodox-world-a-response-worth-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-170 cyberdov Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:01:56 +0000 http://www.dovweinstock.com/blog/?p=239#comment-170 Oh, that's an intelligent response. I'm convinced now. Oh wait - R Blau is also a Rosh Yeshiva, and must therefore be right as well! My mind is about to explode...help! Oh, that’s an intelligent response. I’m convinced now.
Oh wait – R Blau is also a Rosh Yeshiva, and must therefore be right as well! My mind is about to explode…help!

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